Buying older models… is it worth it?

I’m looking into buying an older Sienna model.

Financially, I could maybe get a 2019 model for around $20k. It seems like there were some big safety upgrades that year.

Otherwise, I might go for something from around 2012, which would be cheaper (low teens). I’m guessing there’s a big drop in features.

Reliability is my main concern right now. My plan is to get a 2021 model when the prices drop a bit more—they’re around $30k right now.

Any years to avoid? Major issues? What were the key upgrades over the years?

For older models, the 2015/2016 ones are solid—they’re easier to maintain and the engine and transmission are pretty reliable.

2017/2018 models had some issues since they were the first to get the updated engine and the 8-speed transmission. By 2019/2020, most of those problems were sorted out.

The 2021+ models switched to a 4-cylinder hybrid, which could be a pro or con depending on your needs. Keep in mind, though, that the newer ones don’t have easy-to-remove second-row seats.

@Blane
Wait, you can’t take out the seats in the 2021+ models? That’s a big deal for me since I haul stuff often.

Emma_4 said:
@Blane
Wait, you can’t take out the seats in the 2021+ models? That’s a big deal for me since I haul stuff often.

That’s exactly why I’m sticking to the 2019-2020 XLEs. I need to remove the middle seats for car camping and such. Been looking for over a year, but prices aren’t budging. Hoping to find one under 75k miles for $25-30k. CarMax has good return policies, but it’s been tough to find the right one.

@Harley
I snagged a 2019 XLE Premium with 150k miles for $18k a couple months ago. Keep looking, you might get lucky!

@Harley
Got a 2020 Limited Premium for $33,900 with 82k miles from CarMax. Started at $38,900 and they kept dropping the price $1,000 each week.

Baylor said:
@Harley
Got a 2020 Limited Premium for $33,900 with 82k miles from CarMax. Started at $38,900 and they kept dropping the price $1,000 each week.

Congrats! Did you have it shipped? I’m in Florida, and shipping can get pricey.

@Harley
Yep, had it shipped from Roanoke to Virginia Beach. It was $99 to ship, which wasn’t bad. Took a bit longer than expected because it had to go through the Richmond hub, but everything else was smooth. The odometer even had 5k miles less than advertised. Felt like a win. Much needed after my wife totaled our 2019 XLE!

Emma_4 said:
@Blane
Wait, you can’t take out the seats in the 2021+ models? That’s a big deal for me since I haul stuff often.

You can still remove the seats in the 2021+, but it’s not easy. You’ll need tools and a way to trick the car into thinking the airbags are still connected. Otherwise, you can just push the seats all the way forward, which works for most situations.

I’d say check out some older Honda Odysseys too. Before 2021, I think the Odyssey had better features, comfort, and finish compared to the Sienna, and they’re pretty reliable too. Plus, they’re usually a bit cheaper.

The 2017 and earlier models have been very durable, but the 2018+ models had a few more issues. If you’re open to it, consider the 2012-2017 models; just make sure the timing belt is changed around 100k miles.

@TacomaTales
I’m a die-hard Toyota fan, but I’ll keep an open mind. Saw a cheap Odyssey needing a timing belt change, though—it looked rough.

Emma_4 said:
@TacomaTales
I’m a die-hard Toyota fan, but I’ll keep an open mind. Saw a cheap Odyssey needing a timing belt change, though—it looked rough.

Totally understand sticking with Toyota—they’re great for reliability. The Sienna had solid updates, especially the 2021 refresh. Prices are inflated now, though. If you can find a good deal on an older one, it’s probably worth it for peace of mind. Hondas are close in reliability, but not quite as consistent as Toyota, especially with the 2018+ Odysseys. Still, they’re worth a look.

@TacomaTales
I’ll check some out in person and see how they compare. Thanks!

I’ve got a 2011 Sienna, and it’s been nothing but reliable. Newer models are obviously safer, but the 2011+ generation made big improvements in safety too. The only consistent issue I’ve seen is with the power sliding doors—they’re slow and can break, but it’s not super common.

@Rex
Not a dealbreaker for me. More concerned about the engine and transmission.

Emma_4 said:
@Rex
Not a dealbreaker for me. More concerned about the engine and transmission.

Haven’t had any major issues with mine. A family friend had an ’09 with over 150k miles, and it’s still running well. Just keep up with regular maintenance, and you should be fine. We’re in California, so maybe the climate helps, but it’s been solid.

I had a 2015 Odyssey EX-L, bought it new and sold it this summer with 125k miles. No mechanical problems the whole time, just regular maintenance. Highly recommend it! They have decent power and were very safe. I loved mine.

@Vero
I’m going to check one out today, hopefully. Thanks for the tip.

@Vero
Just to clarify, the 2015 Sienna had 266 horsepower, while the 2015 Odyssey had 263.

Keir said:
@Vero
Just to clarify, the 2015 Sienna had 266 horsepower, while the 2015 Odyssey had 263.

Ah, my bad. I was comparing it to the newer hybrid models, not the older ones.