Why are the new Toyota SUVs so weird?

Alright, let’s talk about Toyota’s new body-on-frame SUVs. First, the Sequoia:

They took away the independent rear suspension right when American brands added it to their SUVs. Bad move. Now the third row is cramped, the cargo floor isn’t flat, and it drives all over the highway. I’d pick the previous gen over this one any day. The Tahoe and Yukon are way better for practicality. Besides reliability (which isn’t proven yet with these new engines), I see no reason to pick the Sequoia over its competitors.

Now, the 4Runner and Land Cruiser:

  1. Land Cruiser: Starts at $57,900, and you don’t even get leather seats. The trim Car and Driver recommends costs around $63,900.
  2. 4Runner: The SR5 pricing is okay, but once you look at higher trims, prices shoot into the $60k range. If you’re spending that much, why not just get the Lexus GX? It’s almost like Toyota is nudging people toward the GX, and it seems to be working since I see way more new GX models than Land Cruisers on the road.

Toyota had years to redesign the Sequoia, 4Runner, and Land Cruiser, and I think they missed the mark on all three. If I had to choose today, I’d stick with the current-gen 4Runner or maybe grab a leftover GX from a dealer.

Someone’s got strong opinions!

charry said:
Someone’s got strong opinions!

Just calling it like I see it.

Why do you want a body-on-frame SUV but also want IRS?

Brown said:
Why do you want a body-on-frame SUV but also want IRS?

Some people just want everything.

Vitt said:

Brown said:
Why do you want a body-on-frame SUV but also want IRS?

Some people just want everything.

Because IRS gives better handling and more cargo room. Makes long drives and towing easier.

@Stokes
Then maybe check out the Grand Highlander. It’s got IRS and a flat cargo area.

Brown said:
Why do you want a body-on-frame SUV but also want IRS?

Because if American brands can do it, why can’t Toyota?

Stokes said:

Brown said:
Why do you want a body-on-frame SUV but also want IRS?

Because if American brands can do it, why can’t Toyota?

Yeah, and then their stuff falls apart by 100k miles.

Doesn’t look like Toyota is losing sleep over these complaints. Their sales numbers say otherwise. They sold almost 30k Land Cruisers this year, with over 5k in December alone. People are clearly buying.

@Branley
People will buy anything if it has a Toyota badge.

Stokes said:
@Branley
People will buy anything if it has a Toyota badge.

Toyota would only change their designs if sales were bad. As long as people keep buying, why would they?

Branley said:

Stokes said:
@Branley
People will buy anything if it has a Toyota badge.

Toyota would only change their designs if sales were bad. As long as people keep buying, why would they?

Still crazy to see so many people buying a 4-cylinder Land Cruiser. At least it looks good.

I was looking at the 2025 GX, and the MSRP was in the $80k range. Even a fully loaded 4Runner is still $20k less than that.

Grey said:
I was looking at the 2025 GX, and the MSRP was in the $80k range. Even a fully loaded 4Runner is still $20k less than that.

Prices are crazy because people are realizing the GX is the better buy.

Grey said:
I was looking at the 2025 GX, and the MSRP was in the $80k range. Even a fully loaded 4Runner is still $20k less than that.

I thought it started closer to $65k?

It feels like Toyota is trying to push 4Runner owners into spending more. The new GX is very similar to the current 4Runner but feels designed to attract the same buyers with higher prices. Meanwhile, the new 4Runner is clearly aimed at younger folks. Honestly, I’d take a GX over the Tahoe, but the premium fuel and poor gas mileage are rough.

@Blaise
I saw a review that said you’ll stop for gas a lot but rarely for repairs. Honestly, I’d take that trade-off.

Stokes said:
@Blaise
I saw a review that said you’ll stop for gas a lot but rarely for repairs. Honestly, I’d take that trade-off.

That’s the 4Runner way—eats gas but never breaks down.

Stokes said:
@Blaise
I saw a review that said you’ll stop for gas a lot but rarely for repairs. Honestly, I’d take that trade-off.

Bought a used GX460 with 80k miles. Love it. Came from a Wrangler, which was fun but not comfortable.